Conversations on Chemtrails
— The truth about what is happening in America
Wednesday 23rd March 2005
"It’s happening again . . . woke up this morning to clear blue skies here in the lower Hudson Valley . . . three hours later, the entire sky is criss-crossed with chemtrails, and there are three or four planes up there continuing to lay them down . . . these are NOT contrails . . . the patterns have no relationship to the flight paths in or out of New York airports, but literally cover the entire sky . . . someone is spraying something, and I’d sure love to know just what it is, who’s doing it, and why . . ."
"I’ve been getting e-mail from a friend in upstate NY for a couple of weeks on the chemtrails in her region. We noticed them over Green Bay starting in 1999 — they are not contrails."
"Upstate NY here too and they are everywhere"
"A week or so ago I saw 12 different trails making an * rather than an X. One jet went straight and then turned exactly on one of the lines and paralleled it. If these were commercial flights, I would be really nervous to have so many planes converging on one central axis. I was driving at the time and til I got back they had blended into one grey scummy cloud. I was really sorry I missed that shot.
I’m not convinced they are deliberately trying to spread disease or affect our health, could be a by-product or not happening at all...then again, if they are told they are "helping protect the world/ozone layer" etc etc, that might make them feel better about doing these flights. I honestly don’t know...I just have a lot of questions about these things.
BTW...my son just said they are "chemtrailing" right now as I type this — easy to see with the almost full moon."
"I’ve noticed that I see persistant contrails (chemtrails) more frequently as I travel inland. Though they do occur in NH where I live, they seem to be more prominent in the hudson valley and inland areas of New York, for example. The fact that they are relatively INFREQUENT here causes me to think there is something to the phenomenon.
We do get the classic patterns about once per month, more frequently in the summer. If they were just normal contrails, wouldn’t they be seen all the time, since most commercial air traffic follows a regular schedule? Of course, conditions in the upper atmosphere could play a role, but then again they are seen at all times of the year."
"Every one thinks I’m crazy about this subject too, but I can’t find any other explanation for what I’m seeing.
I’ve lived around airports my whole life, but never have I seen the trails that have been showing up for the last couple of years.
The morning will start out nice & sunny, but after the planes have made a couple of crosses or circles in the sky, we have overcast for the rest of the day.
Why do people insist that there is nothing going on?
Does no one look up anymore?
And not just when the planes are going by...you have to watch those trails for an hour or two to realize they aren’t just "ice crystals". You can actually watch them disperse in the air.
Yesterday there was a nice rainbow ring around the sun from whatever was in the air.
My question is...do people not want to believe that this is happening?
That there is a section of people in the government that is doing something so top secret that no one would know what they are doing and that they have some sinister plan for what they are doing?
Is that why everyone tries so hard to debunk it?
All I ask is that people start looking up...and if there was ever a bunch of people who I would trust to find the truth in this matter, it would be here at DU..."
"What are the visible differences between "chemtrails" and contrails? Defend your assertion."
My father was in the service, and I grew up on Air Force bases . . . I know what contrails look like . . . they are essentially water vapor, and they disperse quickly . . . chemtrails, on the other hand, not only remain in the sky, they actually spread and essentially become clouds . . . a trail laid out at, say, 10:00A.M. is pretty fully spread by noon . . .
"Are you saying that 3 or 4 planes are going back and forth making clouds or that you can see 3 or 4 planes doing so at any given time?"
That’s exactly what I’m saying . . . if you watch the planes, they lay down these extremely long trails . . . after they end their run, if you wait a few minutes you’ll see a new trail starting from roughly the end of the previous trail, but heading in a completely different direction . . . further, if you look at these planes through a telescope (which I’ve done), you’ll see that they have no markings whatsoever . . . just plain white planes . . .
"Is it possible that the cloud patterns are related to flight paths out of any of the other major cities in the Northeast and/or Canada? New York is just one of the cities up there with large and numerous airports."
Highly doubtful . . . the patterns literally cover the entire sky . . . I can’t imagine that established flight paths could be so intersecting . . .
"The clouds you see are condensation trails created when the exhaust of airplane engines is emitted into a layer of the atmosphere where the temperature is below the freezing point of water. When the relative humidity of the atmosphere at altitude is high the trails persist ... where the air is dryer the clouds evaporate. This phenomenon has been noted for many years."
But these don’t evaporate . . . they stay there, and they expand, and eventually they cover the whole sky . . .
Try this experiment . . . next time you wake up to a clear blue sky, watch it throughout the day . . . chances are that, by mid-afternoon, the blue will be pretty much gone . . . much like this . . . that fuzzy wide "cloud" in the center of the photo was once a thin trail . . . if it were a contrail, it would have dissipated rather quickly, not spread out the way this one has . . ."
"Thank goodness someone else here is taking this seriously. All I have to do is go outside today and I can see it.
I left for lunch an hour ago to blue skies on one side...haze on the other. There were two white planes leaving long trails across the blue when I went in for lunch. When I came back out they were spreading out with mare’s tails.
I expect by the time I leave work tonight, it will be cloudy again . . . Oh, and we were supposed to have snow again this week...but we haven’t. Did I mention that Minneapolis is 2 foot short of snowfall for the season?"
"I see them things all the time.
At first I thought it was all just a bunch of Art Bell nonsense then I started noticing every time there is a big display of the chem trails that people start to get flu like symptoms like crazy.
I have no idea if it is some evil plot to get us all sick or just a byproduct of whatever the hell they are doing.
Either way something is going on that they aren’t telling us."
"Same thing here in the Ohio valley. Those people who want to ridicule can just keep on laughing. I have an open mind about this, but I tell ’ya, somethin’ ain’t right.
I don’t think we’ve had one entire day of bright sunshine since last October, at least. I asked this question on another thread, but got no answer. If anyone knows where I can find a log of precipitation/weather conditions for a particular area of the country, over time, I’d sure like to check it out. I’ve tried to find something on NWS, but no luck.
I’ve lived in this area of the country all my life, and I know what normal weather conditions are here"
"And just to get back to the subject . . . The morning blue skies have been changed to that murky gray sky.
I think the last time I can honestly say that I saw consecutive sunny skies were the three days after 9/11 when all the planes were grounded.
Why is it okay to believe in JFK assassination theories, Roswell theories, PNAC and all these other things, and every one jumps on the bandwagon to discredit this?
All I’m asking is for someone who knows about these things to check into it.
I’m not a chemist or a physicist or a pilot. I’m just another startled American trying to figure out what happened to the great country I grew up in..."
"It’s that stuff the gummint uses to turn perfectly rational people into stark raving republicans. I’ve always suspected it existed . . . just thought it was in the drinking water."
"Considering how some of my formerly ultra-liberal friends have done a complete 180, nothing would suprise me. My best friend is like a freaking pod person."
What if they actually are spraying something every day? . . . wouldn’t you want to know about it? . . . and do you believe that this is something the current administration wouldn’t undertake if they had a reason to do it? . . .
Given what I observe with my own eyes on a regular basis, I know that what I see in the sky is more than contrails . . . the what, who, and why I haven’t a clue about . . . since I trust my own eyes coupled with my 58 years of observing what’s happening in this country and around the world, I’ll need a good, logical explanation for what I’m seeing (again, NOT contrails) before I stop worrying . . .
I don’t have to see proof that something is being sprayed . . . I need to see proof that something’s not being sprayed . . .
“No matter how paranoid you are, what they’re actually doing is worse than you can possibily imagine!” . . . Ralph Gleason
by : Joe Martinez
Wednesday 23rd March 2005